Curse

chrislee149 · Oct 29, 2005, 11:18 PM // 23:18

I tested out this build (traded Watch Yourself for Symbol of Wrath as tricky_kid sugested), and found that Cyclone Axe + Vigorous Spirit was a bit annoying to pull off. It didn't really give much health, and didn't do much damage (due to no Axe Mastery). So, instead, I'm now using my Ivor's Smiting Staff that I happened to find in SF. It does about 17 damage, compared to the 2 done by an axe. I traded Vigorous Spirit for Healing Breeze. Now, I'm able to live pretty well, and I still have a free skill spot (from Cyclone Axe) to use. I'm thinking I may put Sprint in it, or maybe Zealot's Fire?

lyra_song · Oct 29, 2005, 11:39 PM // 23:39

really the point of cyclone axe is to refill your adrenaline for bonetti's defense which in turn refills your magic fast.

legandry · Oct 30, 2005, 12:12 AM // 00:12

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Originally Posted by axhunter

this build is effective but not the best... but with this build you can take on all the griffons at once no prob... i say this build takes about 3:30 - 4mins(including picking up loot) per run, best build i've tried is 2:50 seconds(including picking up loot)

It's pretty clear that you do not have times down quite right... its take about 3 mins to enchant and round up all griffs plus about 30secs to get loot, so that is 3:30 plus right there (no kill time). My avg. runs are 4:30 to 5:30, and I use a similar build to this. To be honest, you will be best off without balth's spirit... you get en from bonetti's (which you will be under all the time except for glads), so you can use that skill slot for a second smite skill (SoW). Also, you might want to trade off vig. spirit for live vicariously. The only downside is the live vicariously does not give you hp when you miss, so minotaurs with wary stance on will not give u hp. You should not have any problem with this though if your equipment is good. Also, take an elemental dmg mod instead of vampiric if you plan on having your axe do dmg.

My collection:

SPARTACVS · Oct 30, 2005, 12:56 AM // 00:56

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Originally Posted by kvndoom

Bleh, yet another "run from devourers" W/Mo build. I'm still waiting for somebody (else) to see that thinking outside the box will enable you to kill them with considerable ease, right along with almost anything in the desert except Jade Scarabs. Let me see your build solo 8 Hydras at once in Skyward Reach
(yeah that's 6 but I've done more), or 10 devourers in Thirsty River (I'll have to get some screenies of that I suppose), then I'll be impressed with it. Every W/Mo build I've seen so far has the same fundamental flaw. Guys are missing the forest for the trees.

Sounds interesting. I like to try it. Mind posting a built please?

chrislee149 · Oct 30, 2005, 02:05 AM // 02:05

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

really the point of cyclone axe is to refill your adrenaline for bonetti's defense which in turn refills your magic fast.

Oh, forgot about that (was using Hundred Blades a while ago, similar use). I guess it was just bad timing on my part - I wasn't using Bonetti's right after Cyclone, since I didn't have adrenaline most of the time. I think using the staff makes it easier, though, without having to time it. It almost makes it easier to just kill those pesky Devourers. It just seems hard to heal myself solely off of Vigorous Spirit (no Vampiric weapon), when you said that it's not even used for healing.

Reve2uk · Oct 30, 2005, 02:27 AM // 02:27

i don't use gladitors armour, i use 15k plate with knights hands/feet, then equip the healing item u can get from dronknar instead of a shield, that way i get 6 armour, 12nrg and 45hp on the item and also have the other bouns from my armour

kvndoom · Oct 30, 2005, 07:03 AM // 07:03

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Originally Posted by SPARTACVS

Sounds interesting. I like to try it. Mind posting a built please?

Been getting this a lot lately, so I'll give up a little bit of this info. I just want you guys to that the skills are there, you just have to put 'em together.

I'm not going to give all the details out because I promised my guild it would be exclusive to them. But I'll give you the trick to devourers, since they needlessly frustrate so many people. Any type of defensive buff + wary stance + shield of judgement. Wary stance guarantees that they can't hit you with distracting shot while you cast SoJ, and judgement takes care of the rest. When I took those screens, I didn't even attack. I just stood there and let them kill themselves.

Wary Stance, cast SoJ (lasts 22 seconds at smiting 12 and with Ivor's Staff or Yakslapper), wait 60 seconds for Wary Stance to recharge, cast WS + Judgement again, all devourers are dead after the second 22 seconds. 82 seconds and they're toast. Mind you this strategy only applies to Thirsty River. I change a couple skills here and there for other places.

I really can't share all my build specifics outside of my guild. My guys have been making good money and I know if I make it all public it may get abused and nerfed. If you figure out the rest of it, I'm very proud of you. Just remember that the best offense is a good defense, and I do NOT farm with a melee weapon.

dont feel no pain · Oct 30, 2005, 09:23 AM // 09:23

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Originally Posted by legandry

It's pretty clear that you do not have times down quite right... its take about 3 mins to enchant and round up all griffs plus about 30secs to get loot, so that is 3:30 plus right there (no kill time). My avg. runs are 4:30 to 5:30, and I use a similar build to this. To be honest, you will be best off without balth's spirit... you get en from bonetti's (which you will be under all the time except for glads), so you can use that skill slot for a second smite skill (SoW). Also, you might want to trade off vig. spirit for live vicariously. The only downside is the live vicariously does not give you hp when you miss, so minotaurs with wary stance on will not give u hp. You should not have any problem with this though if your equipment is good. Also, take an elemental dmg mod instead of vampiric if you plan on having your axe do

being honest i can do it inwell under 4 mins my best time is 3:24 that i did yesterday ( lol i know it's weird but i like to time it and beat records) and thats from load scren to after i picked the loot.

Josh · Oct 30, 2005, 10:14 AM // 10:14

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Originally Posted by kvndoom

After counting, I realized this was only 9:
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Maybe "the best" is a subjective term. Hmmm...

Honestly - what is the point in posting them if your not even going to post the build? Do you think your so great and get a big ego boost by posting something better?

Bragging -

Racthoh · Oct 30, 2005, 10:40 AM // 10:40

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Originally Posted by Josh

Honestly - what is the point in posting them if your not even going to post the build? Do you think your so great and get a big ego boost by posting something better?

Bragging -

Well, considering that in this game we have armours that make us look different with no real benefit I would think that bragging about achievements is highly acceptable. What else are PvEers supposed to do?

kvndoom · Oct 30, 2005, 02:10 PM // 14:10

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Originally Posted by Josh

Honestly - what is the point in posting them if your not even going to post the build? Do you think your so great and get a big ego boost by posting something better?

Bragging -

Yup I'm bragging because I used what's on this page:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/skill/class/6-warrior

and combined it with what's on this page:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/skill/class/3-monk

(though some of the descriptions are out of date) and came up with 8 skills that helped me make a lot of money. It would be something different if every single person who played the game wasn't privvy to the exact same information. You can insult me, or you can try to figure it out, whichever you feel is better use of your time. I didn't copy my strategies from anybody, which goes on a lot in this game (IWAY, 105/85/55 Monk), so yeah, if I want to brag a teensy bit, I think I'm entitled to. When someone else puts it all together and posts it on here, hey, I'll be happy that they figured it out.

Heck I've given half of it away already: I've told which Elite I use, I've given mention that I don't use a melee weapon, so you can eliminate everything from the "Axe Mastery," "Hammer Mastery," and "Swordsmanship" categories. A Warrior primary has no Divine Favor, so you can eliminate that category as well. I've told what my Smiting Prayers attribute level is. I've told that if you're Rockshot hunting, bring Wary Stance so that you can be 100% sure to get off the one skill that works best against them. Even told how to do it, thank you quite much. I've told which weapon I have, though you don't have to go and buy a 70k staff. A Yakslapper still has 20% enchantment length, it's just that a Warrior has no Divine Favor so you can't do any damage with it. Nothing else I use costs a lot of money. You can look at my pics and see that I'm wearing standard issue Droknar's Knight's Helm / Boots, Gladiator's everything else. That's Thorgall's Shield, if you must know, the cheapest of all the greens to buy, and STRENGTH-based, which should tell you something else. I have major Vigor and Absorption runes, minor Strength, Tactics, and weapon runes. Nothing extravagant, exotic, or expensive.

I've told plenty, left only a little to anyone's imagination to string it all together. Imagination being the key phrase. I know it takes less effort to flame than to pick out 5 or 6 skills to use for making money, but I assure you, it's pretty easy to figure out.

Sol Faithman · Oct 30, 2005, 03:52 PM // 15:52

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Originally Posted by kvndoom

Yup I'm bragging because I used what's on this page:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/skill/class/6-warrior

and combined it with what's on this page:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/skill/class/3-monk

(though some of the descriptions are out of date) and came up with 8 skills that helped me make a lot of money. It would be something different if every single person who played the game wasn't privvy to the exact same information. You can insult me, or you can try to figure it out, whichever you feel is better use of your time. I didn't copy my strategies from anybody, which goes on a lot in this game (IWAY, 105/85/55 Monk), so yeah, if I want to brag a teensy bit, I think I'm entitled to. When someone else puts it all together and posts it on here, hey, I'll be happy that they figured it out.

Heck I've given half of it away already: I've told which Elite I use, I've given mention that I don't use a melee weapon, so you can eliminate everything from the "Axe Mastery," "Hammer Mastery," and "Swordsmanship" categories. A Warrior primary has no Divine Favor, so you can eliminate that category as well. I've told what my Smiting Prayers attribute level is. I've told that if you're Rockshot hunting, bring Wary Stance so that you can be 100% sure to get off the one skill that works best against them. Even told how to do it, thank you quite much. I've told which weapon I have, though you don't have to go and buy a 70k staff. A Yakslapper still has 20% enchantment length, it's just that a Warrior has no Divine Favor so you can't do any damage with it. Nothing else I use costs a lot of money. You can look at my pics and see that I'm wearing standard issue Droknar's Knight's Helm / Boots, Gladiator's everything else. That's Thorgall's Shield, if you must know, the cheapest of all the greens to buy, and STRENGTH-based, which should tell you something else. I have major Vigor and Absorption runes, minor Strength, Tactics, and weapon runes. Nothing extravagant, exotic, or expensive.

I've told plenty, left only a little to anyone's imagination to string it all together. Imagination being the key phrase. I know it takes less effort to flame than to pick out 5 or 6 skills to use for making money, but I assure you, it's pretty easy to figure out.

I think it's great that someone has come up with something fresh by using their imagination a little rather than simply copying so called uber builds. I also think that everyone else can do it using the hints given and a little thought.....surely there's more fun and satisfaction to be gained that way rather than just copying 8 skills that someome else devised and then moaning that it doesn't work? Through mindless immitation you learn nothing!!

I know I'm having tonnes of fun trying to figure this out and will no doubt have a big grin on my face when I do it.

Rich

Dahnel · Oct 30, 2005, 06:30 PM // 18:30

Ok i think i got the build now... since i can solo the hydras outside augury rock.. and the rockshots at thirsty river

i wont let the cat out of the bag yet though ...

Nikki Moonlight · Oct 30, 2005, 06:36 PM // 18:36

let it out now?

Fitz Rinley · Oct 30, 2005, 07:04 PM // 19:04

I don't get the making money thing. It is something I truly detest in the game. I understand including it to be realistic about getting some equipment and so forth. I find the process to be a hinderence to the story line and progression of the characters, and a waste of real time that could be spent playing the game. Instead, selling things amounts to standing around with max damage or max effective items (because anything else is SS) advertising while I multi-task in making meals, paying bills, petting the cat, or reconstructing an ethical theory using Kant, Taoism, and Bruner. It's faster to kill, SS, and kill for more than go thru that.

Fitz Rinley

xb0vv · Oct 30, 2005, 07:37 PM // 19:37

healing breeze > watch yourself

dont feel no pain · Oct 30, 2005, 11:09 PM // 23:09

emmm kvndoom not to be cheeky but i think i could think up ur build ur a simluar build anyways

here i go: (if i am wrong my bad)

doylak sigit
healing sigit
sheilds up
Sheild of judge
wary stance
Deflect Arrows
balthzars spirit
watchful spirit

i think that would do nicly

with stats like this

12 smite
12 strength
10-12 tactics

not sure of runes

but i think that would do the trick (probably wrong)

but if i'm right dont be angry i thought it up

12 smite

Master Oria · Oct 31, 2005, 12:00 AM // 00:00

Thats all great but i preffer farming lvl 24 mobs over desert stuff.
Mind you my build cant use a shield, you're better off with an healing anhk
and go in with 40 energy

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a375/Shrain/gw148.jpg

fgarvin · Oct 31, 2005, 12:34 AM // 00:34

This is what I use...

The image describes everything.

dont feel no pain · Oct 31, 2005, 02:09 PM // 14:09

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Originally Posted by Master Oria

Thats all great but i preffer farming lvl 24 mobs over desert stuff.
Mind you my build cant use a shield, you're better off with an healing anhk
and go in with 40 energy

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a375/Shrain/gw148.jpg

umm i used the farm there with my monk and then disovered drops in the desert are much better